EPISODE 38: INTO THE ABYSS

Dr. Fred Berlin of Johns Hopkins University has seen more depravity and human brokenness than just about any psychiatrist, living or dead. He evaluated serial killers Jeffrey Dahmer and Michael Ross and has spent his long, storied career figuring out what makes people do terrible things. As an investigative journalist, Trish has worked with Dr. Berlin on a number of cases and in this episode the two of them talk over both the dark and light that make up the human psyche.